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Breakdown and Analysis of chapter twenty three in book 1 of the A Song of Ice and Fire Series, A Game of Thrones: AGOT Daenerys III.
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  • @Vault93_
    @Vault93_ Годину тому

    I've enjoyed this theory but I feel like it doesn't address the obvious hints in the text about Jon's future. There is strong textual evidence that supports that it was actually Jon that was stabbed and hints at what his future will be. 1- Bran in his dreams, has seen Jon's body in an ice cell with all the warmth slowly leaving him 2-Mel has seen in her fires, that Jon is first a man, then a wolf, and then a man again. 3-Jon says ghost is a part of him 4-Jon has been called a Warg by two skin changers 5-The last words Jon says after the stabbing is Ghost I think Jon's supporters will place his body in an ice cell, to prevent him from becoming a Wight. Where he will somehow be magically healed, it will be some kind of big event. Now this is where I'm guessing But I think Val and Tormmund will be responsible for his "resurrection". 1- Val and Dalla were "sisters", now are they related by blood or by some kind of sisterhood? Val tells us that she gets all her fine white clothing from Dalla. Why would you have all white clothing? Nobody else is described as dressing this way. It seems like there is something special about her. 2- Val says "even" Dalla couldn't couldn't boast of having a Giant as a protector 3-Tormund has a ton of titles, among them is Father of Hosts and Speaker to gods, is Torrmund some kind of old gods priest? 4-Val tells Jon that Shireen should be put to death and that she is beyond healing because the greyscale is still there, only dormant, Jon doesn't believe her and then she responds by telling him to speak to a "woods witch" if he would know the truth. "Morna the woods witch" just crossed the wall as part of Torrmund's group. 5- Remember Jon Snow knows nothing and this falls right in line with that Put all this together and we are in for some kind of big event which will look like some kind of miraculous resurrection, what I imagine will happen is that Jon's body will be healed but he will be in a coma, some kind of old gods ceremony takes place involving Tormmund and during the middle of it, Jon wargs from ghost back into his body but his hair will be changed to white?? I don't know I imagine there is some reason the show started calling him the white wolf. It's gonna be fun and I imagine its gonna be an epic event just like Dany going into the funeral pyre. My biggest fear is that it happens at the very end of Winds so we may get know Jon action. Until Spring. Hopefully George wouldn't do that to us.

  • @Mephisto707
    @Mephisto707 День тому

    Is there a follow up video already on how and why Benjen deserted?

  • @antelopedon6341
    @antelopedon6341 2 дні тому

    Thought you both might return for HotD season 2. Love to go back through the old theory videos. Kudos - you were right about Aegon’s prophecy the reason for invading Westeros.

  • @Faustus_de_Reiz
    @Faustus_de_Reiz 2 дні тому

    You know, I find a hilarious that all of the arguments that you are using against The faith of the seven are the same ones that modern neo-pagans use against use against Christianity. It makes complete sense that work is prayer. Prayer which is communicating with a being of some type of higher order would also be done with work. Work would be a very important process of for any faith. Whether that would be pagan or otherwise.

  • @Faustus_de_Reiz
    @Faustus_de_Reiz 2 дні тому

    I understand that this is some dramatic and biased interpretations of a story, but a lot of it is just factually incorrect and lacks any type of legitimate study on the sources or the material itself.

    • @TheOrderoftheGreenhand
      @TheOrderoftheGreenhand 2 дні тому

      Poke a hole in our analysis then. Or just name something in the video that is factually inaccurate

    • @Faustus_de_Reiz
      @Faustus_de_Reiz 2 дні тому

      ​@@TheOrderoftheGreenhandfirst would be the statement that Castle Pike was built by first men. We know that this is not the case because it was their prior to the first men. Which is well established by the fact that the first man found the kraken throne. Meaning that a lot of the ironborn stuff is built free first man. If there is even such a thing as the first men.

    • @Faustus_de_Reiz
      @Faustus_de_Reiz 2 дні тому

      ​@@TheOrderoftheGreenhandalso, your geographical speculation is not much of an actual attack on what the meisters have presented. Because you can look at historical movements of people's and see many things that follows this pattern.

    • @Faustus_de_Reiz
      @Faustus_de_Reiz 2 дні тому

      ​​@@TheOrderoftheGreenhandsomething that has been pointed out on a few occasions is that the andles were fair-Haired. Fair-haired does not necessarily mean blonde because if you took in modern context the Anglos would be considered fair-haired to the Britons. But some of the northern men saw the hair of the Anglo-Saxons as dark, so it's contextual.

    • @Faustus_de_Reiz
      @Faustus_de_Reiz 2 дні тому

      Also, the other houses that you've pointed out such as the Lannisters did not have fair hair. They have golden hair. Not blonde golden!

  • @boombox05
    @boombox05 4 дні тому

    I dunno. Ned sticks to his plan even when fundamental facts change. He trust Littlefinger, when he knows he shouldn’t, to do the most important thing in his short term plan, and doesn’t have a contingency. And Cersei would 100% poison Robert if she felt threatened. Ned doesn’t gain anything by telling her his plan, and you never give up something for nothing in the game of power. Maybe not dumb, but definitely foolish.

  • @thomasjanow1502
    @thomasjanow1502 6 днів тому

    Are y’all ever returning?

  • @codylandry8889
    @codylandry8889 6 днів тому

    You guys coming back for the HOTD season 2?

  • @patricesmith2321
    @patricesmith2321 6 днів тому

    EDITING ADDICTION-what about the conceptions? Typical racists sexism! The fictional world of the “GAME OF THRONES” is set in the world of little on anti-biotic! Women of this realm are doing whatever is necessary to survive. Communication being best of them, watch “Maury” or “JERRY SPRINGER”.

  • @mckyd6565
    @mckyd6565 7 днів тому

    I think robert is a castles walls and reaching towers, Stannis is the defenses (the crenalations, port collis, the gate, the moat ect.) Renly is the banners and heraldry.

  • @davel7791
    @davel7791 8 днів тому

    If Ned had lived, would he have let the Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch in on his plan to let the wildlings through the Wall? In the books, it seems nobody in the Night’s Watch sees Mance as an ally. They go to war with him.

  • @geoffsokoll-oh1gq
    @geoffsokoll-oh1gq 9 днів тому

    We can go beyond the Medieval church. The French king named the bishops in France up until the Revolution. Louis XVI commented, upon being given a recommendation for Archbishop of Paris (the highest ranking churchman in France) is said to have commented, I'm not saying that the Archbishop of Paris should be a saint, but at least, he should believe in God (he was an admitted atheist).

  • @zacmaguire
    @zacmaguire 9 днів тому

    He's the son of Dunk and Tansell Too Tall😂

  • @ShubhamSharma-ow7jn
    @ShubhamSharma-ow7jn 10 днів тому

    And Daynerys actually thought about marrying Aegon 6(son of R+E) and she is gonna marry Aegon 7(son of R+L) and Aegon 7 will sit on iron throne and the faith is also called faith of the 7 in kings landing and both have no. 7 in it and everyone knows that Targaryens are closest to god.

  • @ShubhamSharma-ow7jn
    @ShubhamSharma-ow7jn 10 днів тому

    Then why mance raider attacked nights watch bcoz during attack jon might have been killed?

  • @user-kh6vx9yf9v
    @user-kh6vx9yf9v 10 днів тому

    My hope is that when Davos finds Rickon on that island he will be commanding a flock of savage unicorns.

  • @ShubhamSharma-ow7jn
    @ShubhamSharma-ow7jn 10 днів тому

    Who is older jon or robb then?

  • @brucebehner4142
    @brucebehner4142 12 днів тому

    This didnt age well did it?

  • @flavius5722
    @flavius5722 12 днів тому

    Other Issues with this theory: If Ned marry at White Harbor why Lord Manderly in 300 AC dosent even try to bring Snow back from the wall If he was marry to Ashara , why did he even bother marrying Catelyn , he has Benjen who is as same age as Catelyn, and of course Jon Arryn who married Lysa Why didnt Ned left him at Starfall when he travel there ,but later on agree to sent him to the Nights Watch why Ashara would kill herself if she know that she has a son

  • @flavius5722
    @flavius5722 12 днів тому

    You guys are really giving your energy on this channel,and I generally don't care about Jon Snow , but this theory of yours is weak ,I am sorry but you lost me at " Gull town is close to Dragonste ,and Ellia seem like a nice person ,who will want A to be happy " Sorry but this is the moment where that blow the theory up for me Ellia not just that will never allow Ned to walk on Dragonstone but she has all the reasons to hate Ashara at this point Ned is the brother of Liana, you know the girl wich Rhaegar replace her Ashara is the sister of Arthur Dayne both of them dornish( so born sworn to house Martell ) and he also kingsguard Arthur is betrayng Ellia by helping Rhaegar to ditch her And know just imagine that the sister of the traitor ask you to allow her to sleep with the brother of your husband , mistress, no for Ellia this would had been the greather betrayal she can think of Let alone that half a kingdom will know that Ned Stark is traveling to Dragonstone especially Varys , and Ashara will be the first taken captive by the Mad King after he burn the two Starks And if you insist she bring her to the Vale, Robert will never shut up about it

  • @mckyd6565
    @mckyd6565 12 днів тому

    Sending out barrick dondarion was actually a politicaly smart move. He sent them out flying the kings banner, roberts banner. He was bating the lanisters to attack them, by doing so theyd be attacking the crown. He could then label them rebels and traitors, and call tywin to court to answer for his bannerman. The power Ned was using was the power to dicdate who is a rebel and who carries political legitimacy. The legitmacy of the crown is super important in determining who supports which side. Had robert lived, tywin would be in clear open rebellion against the crown

  • @TheLastSoundNL
    @TheLastSoundNL 13 днів тому

    I think the stone giant as Little Finger is very interesting, but it being the Mountain's actions in the future is still somewhat plausible. It is good to point out he isn't there. The giant has no burning eyes though. I had a 3rd thought. I'm not very confident in it, there are some holes. It still refers to Little Finger, but in a different way. Harrenhal is not that far off and is part of Little Finger's plan in some way. It's a place with a lot of suffering and the rumor around dannele Lothston is that she bathed in blood, hence the blood. Catelyn was also heading towards a storm which could be conflict but could also be Beric dondarrion he has purple lightning on a black field with 4 pointed stars as his coat of arms.

  • @TheLastSoundNL
    @TheLastSoundNL 13 днів тому

    I've been reading the books again. so isn't it Catelyn who said "there are darker things beyond the Wall." It's not clear though to be fair. Ned: don't worry about Mance. Cat: There are darker things beyond the Wall. *Glances at the tree Ned: You have been listening to too many stories. Like that. a bit further on Cat: this man who put no faith in signs. The idea is that Ned is logical not superstitious, while Cat is superstitious thinking the wolf and stag is a sign.

  • @eoghanclark165
    @eoghanclark165 13 днів тому

    Okay, so i gotta throw in my Tiger Woman two cents here. In Volantis, we learn of the Elephant faction. They are peaceful, and we even hear a tale of love between Vogarro and the Widow of the Waterfront. The Tiger faction however, are known for violence and warmongering. These two opposing factions can be simplified down to Peace and War, or in other words, Love and Duty. A major theme in ASoIaF is that of "Love is the Death of Duty". And vice-versa. When Aegon the Conqueror arrived in Westeros, he had two sister-wives with him. Visenya and Rhaenys. The first he married out of duty, the second out of love. Rhaenys (love) died when shot down by a red dornish bolt, yet from her came the lineage of Targaryen (dragon) rule in Westeros, and Aegon was left with his wife of duty. Moon is wife of Sun, it is known. Most everyone at this point knows the theory of a red comet destroying the second moon and bringing dragons to the world. This mirrors Rhaenys being struck by the scorpion bolt. It also mirrors Nyssa Nyssa being stabbed by Azor Ahai, the Bloodstone Emperor killing the Amethyst Empress... and how love must die for duty. The Bloodstone Emperor/Azor Ahai is our favourite ghostly red-eyed albino whose family of eye-shade titles leaders are Daenarys' forebears along with potentially all Valyrian's. Valyria is a culture we know where a sister and wife were often one and the same. Meaning the Bloodstone Emperor had two sister-wives all along; Love and Duty. Nyssa Nyssa and the Tiger. The Sun and his two Moons. Beyond Aegon, Visenya and Rhaenys, we even see this pattern appear elsewhere f9e fuether evidence: Robert - hero, sun. Stannis - ice, duty, tiger. Renly - fire, love, elephant. Rhaegar - hero, sun. Viserys - ice, duty, tiger. Daenarys - fire, love, elephant. Tyrion - hero, sun. Cersei - ice, duty, tiger. Jaime - fire, love, elephant. So yeah, it's the three heads of the dragon, and the Tiger represents duty. This makes Jon Snow a Tiger embodiment, just as Daenarys is an Elephant embodiment. The real question for the end game now, is who is the Sun.

  • @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195
    @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 13 днів тому

    6:40 thanks for helping me study for exams Wouldn't Lysa or Edmyre be able to tell Catelyn about Littlefinger? I mean, they were childhood friends after all. Lysa was with him at King's Landing I mean, don't get me wrong, I personally think she planned this whole thing with him because she got bored of being in the North

  • @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195
    @hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 13 днів тому

    14:55 "When somebody saves somebody doesnt mean theyre always altruistic or they're good" Yeah but remember Sansa saved Dontos instinctively so that annuls all the bad things she's ever done or thought! It must mean she's good! (/sarcasm)

  • @ambern7734
    @ambern7734 14 днів тому

    oh I am so hoping your right because this would be a fun read.

  • @JennyZinaTavares
    @JennyZinaTavares 14 днів тому

    If it was Tormund, why did he say Ghost?

  • @JennyZinaTavares
    @JennyZinaTavares 14 днів тому

    Just rewatched this. So Ben must have been at Winterfell quite a lot since the kids all seem to know and love him. Wouldn't he have gone before they were all born?

  • @blakemorris9997
    @blakemorris9997 17 днів тому

    I agree mostly, except with Robert, I think Robert was a womanizer with or without Lyanna.

  • @sourgrape18
    @sourgrape18 17 днів тому

    Well, I’m sorry, but you’re wrong. Everyone in Kings Landing wasn’t oblivious. John Arryn, Stannis, Lil finger , Varys , piselle, just a list of people who knew and just weren’t talking about it openly because it would cost them their heads since their in charge of Kings Landing at the moment?

  • @shimaalcarrim7949
    @shimaalcarrim7949 18 днів тому

    I feel like Gods wouldn’t typically need to rely on keys and such for access and egress tho 🤷

  • @KevinHwoarang
    @KevinHwoarang 18 днів тому

    Could it be a form of Autism? I'm no psycho-analyst, but I've unfortunately have been diagnosed with traits of autism. It's eerily recognizable the way you guys summarized the Prince' story.

  • @davel7791
    @davel7791 19 днів тому

    So if Tywin knew that “Robb is his father’s son” when it comes to marrying hot maids for honor, did he know that Ned married Ashara?

    • @TheOrderoftheGreenhand
      @TheOrderoftheGreenhand 19 днів тому

      He seems like a man who knows almost everything

    • @davel7791
      @davel7791 19 днів тому

      @@TheOrderoftheGreenhand Why did Tywin keep that secret? He has no love for Ned or the Starks. He could have used the fact that Robb’s a bastard to undermine his claim to kingship and fracture his troops.

    • @TheOrderoftheGreenhand
      @TheOrderoftheGreenhand 19 днів тому

      Timing probably. You use information when it’s most useful. In this case it wouldn’t have been overly useful because Jon was at the wall and people would have just thought it was a petty insult that would make men think that he was scared of Robb

    • @davel7791
      @davel7791 18 днів тому

      @@TheOrderoftheGreenhand Maybe. I like the way you guys’ think out of the box but still logically. You have excellent puzzle solving abilities. My one constructive criticism is that you should challenge your own theories more, in my opinion. Look for ways to cut holes in them. Think about what doesn’t make apparent sense about them. This isn’t to destroy your theories, but to possibly strengthen them. Or alter them accordingly. All in pursuit of truth. Might be some good videos in that.

    • @TheOrderoftheGreenhand
      @TheOrderoftheGreenhand 18 днів тому

      We do try to poke holes in our theories. We’ve come up with way more theories than we put into videos that we could poke holes in and therefore decided not to release them

  • @davel7791
    @davel7791 20 днів тому

    Very compelling theory. One important question - why would Ashara and the Dayne family agree to Ned’s baby swap plan? Ashara’s life is effectively ruined by it, as she has to go into hiding for the rest of her life. Would the Daynes really care so much for some baby Targaryen or Targaryen bastard? You need to work on a good explanation for the Daynes’ motivation, I think, beyond that they thought Ned was a swell guy.

  • @happilyevernever4289
    @happilyevernever4289 20 днів тому

    I would disagree with one thing. I would not conside Dany having to be forced to sleep with a guy twice her age and size while she's underage, with whom she can't even communicate with verbally as ideal or sweet. 😂😂 True these are two different situations in the book and the show, but it still conveys the main idea that what happened was not consensual at all.

  • @davel7791
    @davel7791 21 день тому

    How do you explain Illyrio’s fatherly affection toward young Griff?

  • @Rucker1980
    @Rucker1980 22 дні тому

    When the intro music plays i love to sing 🎶 Catelyn sucks🎶 To the beat

  • @blakemorris9997
    @blakemorris9997 22 дні тому

    Well I thought it was gonna be fair, even when y’all skimmed over a ALOT of the Marymazdor context and plot, but doing so even more in Meereen.. I realized this is a shameless Danny Stand.

    • @TheOrderoftheGreenhand
      @TheOrderoftheGreenhand 22 дні тому

      Do you have any actual points to make?

    • @blakemorris9997
      @blakemorris9997 21 день тому

      @@TheOrderoftheGreenhand You can remove context by summarizing the chapters, such as the fact that Dany was aware she was sacrificing her unborn child and admits it to herself… in Meereen she does feel bad about the 162 nobles, but then immediately in the next chapter contemplates on if she went far enough after holding court. Personally I agree with the assessment that Dany lost herself in Meereen and she is indeed becoming reacquainted with her dragon side, I just believe that dragon side is the very thing that will lead her to extremes. Once she doesn’t have slavery to fight against what does she have? The people of Essos need a conquerer, Westeros does not.

  • @thekittenthatwantschicken8018
    @thekittenthatwantschicken8018 22 дні тому

    if the house of the dragon and silly "aegons dream" thing ends up cannon in fire and blood 2 id take it as grrm backtracking and will make most targs look benevolent

    • @TheOrderoftheGreenhand
      @TheOrderoftheGreenhand 22 дні тому

      That was alluded to in The World of Ice and Fire. We did a why Aegon conquered Westeros video. It’s also important to view individual people as individuals and judge them accordingly. Aegon I was a remarkable man but that obviously doesn’t mean that everyone else in his lineage is

    • @thekittenthatwantschicken8018
      @thekittenthatwantschicken8018 21 день тому

      @@TheOrderoftheGreenhand remarkable man? The dude who rolled into a nation with flyings wmds and told people "to kneel or die"? yes...what a lovely tyrant

  • @blakemorris9997
    @blakemorris9997 23 дні тому

    Yeah… he just divorced her and married Catlyn. I don’t think so.

    • @TheOrderoftheGreenhand
      @TheOrderoftheGreenhand 22 дні тому

      If it was a choice between doing that and everyone he’s leading to war being doomed and the fate of his family depending on him winning this war you honestly don’t think he’d choose to do it?

    • @blakemorris9997
      @blakemorris9997 21 день тому

      @@TheOrderoftheGreenhand Neds entire character is based on being Honorable… He would marry her for honor, but then immediately dishonor her, himself, and Catlyn? He literally doesn’t at all seem like the type to indulge a farce for political advantage, considering it’s the very thing that got him killed… I also don’t think Catlyn’s father would be okay with his daughter being married to a man that was already married, old gods or not, I assume the south respects most northern marriages even though all of them would have been preformed under the old gods… a married man is a married man, and I assume Ned and Ashara would have told some people they were married… and if they didn’t then it doesn’t matter because it’s essentially like they never were, meaning as far as the realm is concerned Catlyn was Ned’s wife for 15 years… compared to a marriage no one can confirm happened.

  • @NathanBrussat
    @NathanBrussat 23 дні тому

    The Andals invented a stupid game called the game of thrones. It is a game where the winner lives and the looser is killed.

  • @jevanderwerf
    @jevanderwerf 23 дні тому

    The only problem I see here is Why would Ned even swap the babies? I see no reason to remove Baby Jon from his mother? Why not just give the Tower of Joy baby to Ashara? She could keep both.

    • @TheOrderoftheGreenhand
      @TheOrderoftheGreenhand 23 дні тому

      Aegon would have to go into exile because he couldn’t be hidden based on his appearance. Why drag another baby into a potentially dangerous exile?

  • @robertdoran2976
    @robertdoran2976 23 дні тому

    The Andals suck and faith of the 7 is bullshit

  • @zacmaguire
    @zacmaguire 24 дні тому

    Will You ever do a video on the Night's King? Love your vids

  • @crimsoneagle8755
    @crimsoneagle8755 24 дні тому

    Robert is a warhorse, Stannis a workhorse, and Renly a show horse.